Angry white men

steam-ears-894-650x433.jpgI know that there is a meme going around the internet that there’s so many angry white men around because there’s a black man in the White House. IMO, they represent a small minority. Methinks a lot of people are angry over economic forces that they feel helpless to affect or overcome. Nowadays one can do all the right things you are told one must do in order to “get ahead”… get an education, be innovative, work hard, save for the future… and it can mean nothing. Despite years of hard loyal work, the company decides to cut out your position and you find yourself sitting at home on a Tuesday afternoon. You graduate with all the right degrees (and a heavy debt) and the only employment you can find in your field pays $12.00 an hour. Etc., etc. … There are varying reasons why people are angry… some of them are very legitimate. To chalk it all up to racism IMO, is shortsighted and kinda lazy.

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41 Responses to Angry white men

  1. Tony says:

    I agree, lazy to assume it’s all racism.. In looking at some Trump rallies it obvious some is.. Also white males have been in control and still are.. Granted they are losing their majority.. Economics is for the most part the reason for the intense anger..
    Although in talking to Grace yesterday while working,who’s hurts for nothing, well can’t explain her hatefulness any other way than to say she’s a Fox clone.. I mean after listening to the President’s speech on guns, she told me he’s a fucking liar.. I said you think a person isn’t affected having to meet the families of all the dead children, not him she said he probably had Vicks on his finger and rubbed it in his eye, oh god..

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  2. rebelliousrenee says:

    Just thought it was time to discuss something of substance after Jamie’s comment that there’s lots to discuss got me to thinking. I do know many people who are upset over their economic circumstances and some of then voted for Obama. Methinks Democrats are smarter than to lump a group of people together and label them because it’s easy. But I’m seeing this sort of thing all over the web and FB. I’ve even done it myself. I’m trying to stop and look at the big picture.

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  3. Tony says:

     The Hillary Clinton Double Standard
    Doug Henwood’s My Turn avoids dealing with the gendered attacks on Hillary—but doesn’t quite escape the pit itself.
    By Katha Pollitt
    http://www.thenation.com/article/yes-hillarys-a-democrat/

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  4. rebelliousrenee says:

    Tony… some of it is blatant racism. But at this point… I refuse to say that’s all there is to it. I don’t know Grace… but she must know you are gay. She obviously isn’t bigoted toward you because of it. Some of these people who say hateful things toward Obama said hateful things toward Bill Clinton. In some instances, it’s not Obama’s race… it’s that he’s a Democrat. God knows I say hateful things toward Republicans. It depends on one’s point of view.

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    • Tony says:

      Oh yes, Grace does know i’m gay.. Lol, when i tell her her party is anti gay she say’s she’s never heard that.. Grace is bigoted and badly.. Her big thing now is Mexican’s and building the Great Wall of Trump.. Oh she has a dislike for Latino’s something fierce, taker’s she calls them.Like Trump no Muslims allowed to enter the country and i won’t even start with on her view of most black people.. Lol, she does have lesbian friends though, he he.. Funny thing is she’s Italian and her parents came here from Italy.. I still like Grace but there’s no getting through..

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  5. rebelliousrenee says:

    Tony… I have a very good friend who loves Obama and only votes for Democrats. But yet… trying to have a discussion with him on any subject can at times be futile. Once he gets a thought in his head… it’s there for good. So yeah… no matter the political stripe or gender… sometimes there is no getting through to some.

    For those that saw the video on FB about my nephew…. going to a welcome home party for him very shortly. Haven’t seen him for almost a year… can’t wait to give him a hug!

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  6. patd says:

    “To chalk it all up to racism IMO, is shortsighted…”
    renee, shortsighted for sure when mostly what I see and hear is misogyny run amok…
    granted racism is running a close 2nd. imho that was very much the case and running rampant in 2008.
    look at texas below described as “when it comes to state politics, Texas still looks like the He Man Women Haters Club,…”
    http://www.houstonpress.com/news/5-moments-of-misogyny-at-the-texas-legislature-8047015

    for instance, scratch a lot of those gun-toters and you’ll find fiery female haters. they don’t like or trust hillary, not because of politics or bill or she’s old or gov’t experienced. they, like the radical jihadist, seem only to want women subservient.

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  7. blueINdallas says:

    Exactly. Great post. And the candidates who understand that fear/frustration (of doing all the right things with little or nothing to show for it) are Bernie and Trump.

    That’s what the party-system and the media don’t get about Trump. He may have some whack-a-doodle ideas as to the resolution of those problems, but he is giving voice to people’s feelings about the state of things. Trump also says un-PC things that turn out to be true, with regard to not all refugees in Europe and here having only intentions of escaping war. We do need a better way to scrutinize those who want to legally enter and/or stay here. As my friend’s mom who worked for immigration used to say, people come here for vacation or even to go to school, and they just never go back.

    It all feels pretty hopeless sometimes. What will a 401(k) pay out, after inflation and taxes, for those lucky enough to be able to set something aside.
    Really, does anyone think legalized gambling is a good retirement plan?

    Anyway, Obama has not been a very effective prez; his race is just happenstance. However, if it hadn’t been for his race, the Dem powers-that-be wouldn’t have pooped all over Hillary in 2008.

    Bernie best speaks to both my frustration with the way things are, and, with what needs to change (in most cases) to fix things.

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    • Tony says:

      Bernie is great. Trump is a creep… If he is correct about a thing or two his ugly nasty racist hate cloud it all.. Keeping score, i fear American Christian crazies with guns a lot more than i do screened refugees from Syria or any place else..

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  8. blueINdallas says:

    Ha! Just read Doonesbury (early Sunday edition), and Trudeau is spot-on about easily getting in with a tourist visa. Of course, folks from countries like Ireland don’t even have to deal with that. However, it seems that people can easily lie when they do try to come in as refugees, as we have seen in this week from the Iraquis in TX and CA, as well as the female terrorist in San Bernardino. Rule of life: If it happens more than once, it will keep happening.

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  9. patd says:

    from http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/08/angry-white-men-love-donald-trump
    Trump’s angry white men – and why there are more of them than you think
    Statistics point to conspiracy theories, mediocre wages and a deeply held belief that this group is anything but racist

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  10. patd says:

    from article at http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/09/muslim-woman-ejected-donald-trump-rally-silent-protest

    A Muslim woman was escorted from a Donald Trump rally on Friday night, after she stood silently behind the Republican frontrunner wearing a shirt that read: “Salam, I come in peace.”
    [….]
    “My purpose for going there,” Hamid said, “is I have a sincere belief that if people get to know each other one on one then they’ll stop being afraid of each other and we will be able to get rid of all of this hate in the world, literally.”

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  11. I’ve decided that its anger that makes one grow old……that and time, of course.

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  12. jacew2003 says:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/us/politics/for-republicans-mounting-fears-of-lasting-split.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

    Worthwhile read here.

    From the article.

    .“The Republican Party has never done anything for the working man like me, even though we’ve voted Republican for years,” said Leo Martin, a 62-year-old machinist from Newport, N.H., who attended Mr. Trump’s Claremont rally. “This election is the first in my life where we can change what it means to be a Republican.”

    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
    When you repeatedly vote against your own interests you usually come up on the short end of the stick. why is that so difficult for some people to understand?

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  13. patd says:

    no powerball winner. next pot est 1.3 billion

    While the wheel is spinning, spinning, spinning,
    I’ll not dream of winning fortune or fame.
    While the wheel is turning, turning, turning,
    I’ll be yearning, yearning….

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  14. patd says:

    from http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/07/us/paiute-indians-dispute-oregon-wildlife-refuge-protesters-standing.html?_r=0
    the Burns Paiute Indian tribe added its voice to the debate, saying that the protesters, in demanding that the federal property at the refuge be returned to ranchers who once owned it, were ignorant of history. If anyone should get the property back, they said, it should be them. Their ancestors were roaming the still wild and empty reaches of what is now called the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge perhaps as long as 15,000 years ago.

    “Don’t tell me any of these ranchers came across the Bering Strait,” said the tribal chairwoman, Charlotte Rodrique. “We were here first,” she added in a news conference on the reservation. “We’d like the public to acknowledge that.”

    Other tribe members, in even harsher denunciation of the group that has occupied the refuge since last Saturday, said the protesters were a public menace and an insult to the local people.

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    • patd says:

      more about the ghost dance that was so feared it was banned and declared a war dance by the u.s. war dept in 1890

      bundy and his band of bros are a bit back of the line protest-rights-wise.

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  15. jacew2003 says:

    Sunday Serendipity.

    A perfect work for a Sunday Morning. Enjoy the music and enjoy your day!

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  16. Tony says:

    Ted Cruz gets burned by the birther fires he stoked
    Dana Milbank
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ted-cruz-gets-burned-by-the-birther-fires-he-stoked/2016/01/08/c6cf7e02-b60a-11e5-a76a-0b5145e8679a_story.html
    “When you dance with the devil, the choreography can get awkward.

    Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) last week made his latest appeal to the U.S. nativist fringe by naming Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) as a national co-chairman of his presidential campaign. King, called a “courageous conservative” and “incredible leader” by Cruz, is the anti-immigrant hard-liner who spoke of Mexican immigrants having “calves the size of cantaloupes” and who was a prominent birther.
    Dana Milbank writes about political theater in the nation’s capital. He joined the Post as a political reporter in 2000. View Archive
    King raised questions about President Obama’s birth certificate, voiced doubts that Obama had been born in the United States, floated the idea that Obama’s birth announcement in Hawaiian newspapers may have been placed “by telegram from Kenya,” and alleged that Obama “was not raised with an American experience.”

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  17. patd says:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/donald-trumps-attacks-didnt-work-before-and-wont-work-again-hillary-clinton-says/
    “If he wants to engage in personal attacks from the past, that is his prerogative. You know, so be it,” ….
    “There are very clear distinctions. He can say whatever he wants about me. Let the voters judge that,” Clinton added. “But I am not going to let him or any of the other Republicans rip away the progress that we have. It has been too hard fought for. And I am going to stand up and make it clear there is a huge difference between us.”….
    “It has been fair game going back to the Republicans for some years,” said the former secretary of state. “They can do it again if they want to. That can be their choice as to how to run in this campaign. Didn’t work before, won’t work again.”

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  18. blueINdallas says:

    Trump is probably right about Dems suing Cruz with regard to citizenship, should Cruz get the nomination.

    And, even if they determine he is eligible, the fact that Cruz did not give up his dual-citizenship until 2 years ago, causes a problem for him. It looks bad.

    That takes care of Cruz. Then it’s in to take down Rubio. If not for Trump lasting out at the Clintons, it would look like he was doing the Dems’ dirty work.

    What is surprising from the Clinton camp, is that they aren’t responding to the attacks on Bill better. They went through this in 2008. They should know how to deal with this already.

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    • patd says:

      blue, not so sure cruz has been trumped according to this
      from http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-targets-ted-cruz-1452420003?mod=rss_US_News
      For Mr. Cruz, being under attack by other Republicans is a badge of honor, another backer said. “It’s a quasi-endorsement of Cruz to the grass roots,” said Saul Anuzis, former Michigan GOP chairman.
      Polls show a growing number of Trump backers see Mr. Cruz as their second choice. Cruz spokesman Rick Tyler said that when the campaign began, polls showed that only 4% of Trump backers saw his boss as their second choice. A new poll by NBC/SurveyMonkey finds that number has risen to 39%.
      The latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll found that 66% of Trump voters said they would consider supporting Mr. Cruz—far more than other major candidates.

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  19. patd says:

    from http://wonkette.com/597723/texas-gov-greg-abbot-wants-to-kill-the-constitution-dead-pew-pew-pew
    Texas Governor Greg Abbott knows what’s gone wrong with American government: it’s let the Constitution get completely out of control! There’s the Supreme Court telling the gays they deserve equal protection under the law, even when that grosses out straight people, and the federal government won’t let states write whatever voting restrictions will keep Republicans stay in power, and God help us, the EPA is telling our corporate citizens they can’t dump toxic sludge wherever the hell they want! And don’t even get Greg Abbott started on Barack Obama’s big gun grab, cleverly disguised as a number of incremental changes to background checks! Abbott loves the Founding Fathers soooooo much that, like Sylvia Plath, he has to kill them. So on Friday, Gov. Abbott unveiled his plan to fix the Constitution so good that nobody will even recognize it anymore

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  20. blueINdallas says:

    I told you Abbott would make you almost miss Rick Perry. He’s horrible.

    Cruz is shaken up by the birther talk. He is going to have to explain, at least, why he kept his Canadian citizenship for so long. It’s going to look in-American to some.

    He keeps trotting out his daughers, too. He clearly wants someone else in the media to say something about his kids so he can do another fundraiser for himself. Sickening. And, he also said he spanks his 5-year old if she tells a lie. Jeez. He hits his kid? Either a kid is old enough to understand what she did and could lose privileges, or, she’s too young to understand, in which case, hitting her would also be pointless. Sorry, I know I’m not a parent, but I know my grandparents never needed to lay a hand on me to make me mind. Meanwhile, my wicked step-ma would create reasons to smack me around. If Cruz can’t parent without hitting someone 1/4 of his size, I have even less use for him than ever.

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    • Tony says:

      I agree Blue, sickening! Hitting a child is horrible and he is horrible.. Lol, on the auto correct.. I’m always texting and I’m always saying “fucking spell ck”.. Ha, my friend just texting from Australia and it changed his “bi sexual” to “bi specials” now that was funny!

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  21. blueINdallas says:

    I have even less use for auto-correct.

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  22. Jamie says:

    Interesting Salon article on the 4th grade speaking level of Donald Trump and the anti-intellectual strain in American life. http://www.salon.com/2016/01/10/donald_trump_talks_at_a_fourth_grade_level_maybe_thats_why_the_fox_news_audience_loves_him/

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    • Tony says:

      Excellent piece you posted and explains so much about the lady i work with and some of my other Fox News viewing clients..
      “From climate change to healthcare, the Iraq War to the country of Obama’s birth (no, it’s not Kenya), denizens of Fox News are more confident about falsehoods than viewers of any other news network. Several studies even found a positive correlation between how often one watches Fox News and the degree to which one’s worldview is misinformed.”

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  23. The South Park guys are 4th graders too……

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  24. patd says:

    from https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/david-bowie-dies-at-69/2016/01/11/70dc6d14-b837-11e5-829c-26ffb874a18d_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_bowieobit-3am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
    David Bowie, the self-described “tasteful thief” who appropriated from and influenced glam rock, soul, disco, new wave, punk rock and haute couture, and whose edgy, androgynous alter egos invited fans to explore their own dark places, died Sunday. Bowie had turned 69 on Friday, the same day he released his latest album which was entitled “Blackstar.”

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  25. rebelliousrenee says:

    My favorite Bowie creation…

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